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  Minimalist (Profile)
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:13 pm
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Harvard Law School has an impressive website dedicated to the Nuremburg trials. You can read transcripts, look at documents offered as exhibits, and get a complete who's who of those who stood trial, what they were convicted or aquitted of, and their sentence.

Nuremburg Trials Project

It fills one with a sense of hope for humanity to read:


Indictments (25 Oct. 1946)

Four counts:

1. Conspiracy to commit war crimes against humanity: The ordering, planning, and organization of the war crimes and crimes against humanity charged in counts two and three. Charged against all of the defendants.

2. War crimes: Charged against all defendants. 15 guilty, 8 acquitted.

3. Crimes against humanity: Charged against all defendants. 15 guilty, 8 acquitted.

4. Membership in a criminal organization: Membership in the SS. Charged against K. Brandt, Genzken, Gebhardt, R. Brandt, Mrugowsky, Poppendick, Sievers, Brack, Hoven, and Fischer. All found guilty.


Defendants (with counts charged and verdicts)

Becker-Freyseng, Hermann (Medical Inspectorate, Luftwaffe)
(counts 1, 2, 3; guilty, 20 year prison term)
Beiglboeck, Wilhelm (Dr., Luftwaffe Medical Service)
(counts 1, 2, 3; guilty, 15 year prison term)
Blome, Kurt (Dr., Office for Public Health; Reich Research Council)
(counts 1, 2, 3; acquitted)
Brack, Viktor (Oberdienstleiter, Chancellery)
(counts 1, 2, 3, 4; guilty, executed 1948)
Brandt, Karl (Dr., Commissioner for Public Health; Waffen-SS)
(counts 1, 2, 3, 4; guilty, executed 1948)
Brandt, Rudolf (SS Obersturmbannfuehrer, Himmler's personal staff)
(counts 1, 2, 3, 4; guilty, executed 1948)
Fischer, Fritz (Dr., assistant to Karl Gebhardt)
(counts 1, 2, 3, 4; guilty, life in prison)
Gebhardt, Karl (Prof. Dr.; officer in SS and Waffen-SS)
(counts 1, 2, 3, 4; guilty, executed 1948)
Genzken, Karl (Dr. surgeon-general, Waffen SS)
(counts 1, 2, 3, 4; guilty, life in prison)
Handloser, Siegfried (Prof. Dr., Chief of Armed Forces Medical Service)
(counts 1, 2, 3; guilty, life in prison)
Hoven, Waldemar (Dr., physician at Buchenwald; Waffen SS)
(counts 1, 2, 3, 4; guilty, executed 1948)
Mrugowsky, Joachim (Dr., Chief of Hygiene Institute, Waffen SS)
(counts 1, 2, 3, 4; guilty, executed 1948)
Oberheuser, Herta (Dr., assistant to Karl Gebhardt)
(counts 1, 2, 3; guilty, 20 year prison term)
Pokorny, Adolf (Dr.)
(counts 1, 2, 3; acquitted)
Poppendick, Helmut (Dr., Race and Settlement Office; SS officer)
(counts 1, 2, 3, 4; guilty, 10 year prison term)
Romberg, Hans (Dr., Institute for Aviation Medicine at DVL)
(counts 1, 2, 3; acquitted)
Rose, Gerhard (Prof. Dr., Robert Koch Institute; Luftwaffe Medical Service)
(counts 1, 2, 3; guilty, life in prison)
Rostock, Paul (Prof., Office for Medical Science and Research)
(counts 1, 2, 3; acquitted)
Ruff, Siegfried (Dr., Institute for Aviation Medicine at DVL)
(counts 1, 2, 3; acquitted)
Schaefer, Konrad (Dr., Schering AG; Institute for Aviation Medicine)
(counts 1, 2, 3; acquitted)
Schroeder, Oskar (Dr., Luftwaffe Medical Service)
(counts 1, 2, 3; guilty, life in prison)
Sievers, Wolfram Wolfram (Ahnenerbe Society; Reich Research Council)
(counts 1, 2, 3, 4; guilty, executed 1948)
Weltz, Georg (Dr., Institute for Aviation Medicine)
(counts 1, 2, 3; acquitted)


Nuremburg Trials Project

Don't it give ya a warm fuzzy feeling?
  
  dpaanlka (Profile)
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:43 pm
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Minimalist wrote:

Don't it give ya a warm fuzzy feeling?


Doesn't change my appreciation for Nazi architecture. Nazis killed a lot of Jews... we're all well aware of that.
  
  Minimalist (Profile)
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:59 pm
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Wasn't meant to change your appreciation of German architecture. A building is a building. The Nazis created the autobahn, too. No one is suggesting that people stop driving cars merely because the Nazis created highways.

The large pharmaceutical company Bayer commissioned experiments on concentration camp inmates. No one is suggesting however, that people stop popping aspirin. Know what I mean? By the same token, it is ridiculous to suggest that those involved in the crimes of the Nazi regime should receive impunity merely because some good may have come from their many deeds. There's no excuses!
  
  dpaanlka (Profile)
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:11 pm
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Just once, though, I'd like to see a documentary or something that shows things besides concentration camps and stuff. Like, for example, the architecture, or the engineering achievements, or the stunning turnaround of the economy, etc...
  
  Minimalist (Profile)
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:04 pm
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dpaanlka wrote:

Just once, though, I'd like to see a documentary or something that shows things besides concentration camps and stuff. Like, for example, the architecture, or the engineering achievements, or the stunning turnaround of the economy, etc...


I've seen several documentaries that show precisely what you speak of. The grim reality, however, is that much of what was built by the Nazis was built by slave labour -- prisoners that were forced to engage in hard labour. The other realities of the Nazi regime are that unemployed Germans got jobs building the Nazi war machine. There was also a lot of wealth redistribution. ie. The Jews were robbed of everything they owned, and their material possessions were given to the Germans that were previously lacking wealth. This included everyday ordinary items like clothing, furniture, etcetera, and also included capital goods like property and homes.

As the war progressed, the Nazis even made deals where they would be paid money by other countries and states to take the Jews off of their hands. Germany was not alone in its scapegoating of the Jewish people.

The Germans turned their economy around by:

  • Removing millions of people from the economy.
  • Redistributing the wealth of those they imprisoned or murdered.
  • Employing German people in the manufacture of armaments for the war effort.
  • Using slave labour.
  • And other less than praiseworthy tactics.
  
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